're seeing that reflected not just in president obama, but in the team that supports him. >> yeah. the way i like to put it is that president obama has the appeal of a reluctant warrior, which is what most americans are. if we have to go to war, we will. and he has shown that he will use force when it's necessary, but he's a reluctant warrior. reluctant warrior is still a warrior. other presidents, i think, have been eager warriors -- >> i would add the word "engaged." i think this president understands that in this world you need to be engaged, and he has engaged smartly. >> okay. next i want to introduce michele flournoy, she served as undersecretary of defense for policy from february '09 to february of this year. and prior to her confirmation, she helped lead president obama's transition team at the department of defense. in 2007 she cofounded the organization that doug just referred to, the nonpartisan think tank center for a new american security. republicans in states like virginia, notably, are using the impending sequesters as an issue against their democratic opponents. even though